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- Audio Fileuab/ua247.mp3
- DoctorsHicks, Alyse;Rosales, Jennifer
- Featured SpeakerAlyse Hicks, RN | Jennifer Rosales, RN
- CME SeriesQuality and Outcomes
- Post Test URLhttps://cmecourses.som.uab.edu/mod/quiz/view.php?id=5751
- Guest BioAlyse Hicks is a Care Transition Registered Nurse at UAB Family Medicine. She has been practicing nursing for almost 9 years. Alyse first started her career at Children's of Alabama working as a clinical assistant while in nursing school. Upon graduation, she accepted a nursing position at Children's working on a Medical-Surgical unit then transferred to the Infusion Center where she stayed for 5 years. Alyse first joined the UAB family on a part-time basis working with the COVID-19 vaccine clinic at UAB Highlands in January 2021. Since her start with the vaccine clinic, she decided to become part of UAB full-time that following March. Although Alyse's nursing experience has primarily been with the pediatric population, she has gained a wealth of knowledge serving adult patients. In Alyse's spare time, she enjoys spending time with family, eating at new restaurants in Birmingham, and watching documentaries.
Jennifer Rosales has been an RN for 10 years. She received her BSN at the University of Alabama. She worked in Texas for 8 years caring for patients in med-surg, pre-op and home health. After moving back to Alabama in 2020, she has been at UAB Health Services Foundation in Prime Care at Hoover. She is happily married to David and they have 2 children.
Release Date: May 16, 2022
Expiration Date: May 15, 2025
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Director, UAB Continuing Medical Education
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Faculty:
Alyse M. Hicks, RN, BSN
Care Transition Ambulatory
Jennifer M. Rosales, BSN
Care Transition Ambulatory
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole, MS (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole and in this panel today, I have Alyse Hicks and Jennifer Rosales. They're both with UAB Medicine and they are both registered nurses. And they're here to talk about the role of ambulatory care transition nurses. Thank you ladies, for being with us today. Jennifer, I'd like to start with you. Tell us what is an ambulatory care transition RN and what is their role?
Jennifer Rosales, RN (Guest): Hi, Melanie. Thanks for having us back. So ambulatory care transition nurses we're responsible for triaging telephone and portal messages that we receive from our primary care and family medicine patients. To be in this role, we have to have at least two years of clinical experience as a nurse. We've all worked in a variety of areas of nursing, so we all contribute to a specialty. We also schedule transitional care management appointments, when patients are discharged from an ER or hospital, we call them and discuss any medication changes that were made, educate on disease process, safety precautions and perhaps wound care if they have a surgical wound and then also schedule a follow-up appointment soon with our provider, and then that helps prevent hospital readmissions.
Alyse Hicks, RN (Guest): I also wanted to add to that with the portal messages, we're primarily responsible for managing the patient portal. We receive about four to 5,000 messages per month on average. I know during the latest COVID surge, we got probably a little over 9,000 portal messages. So it was a lot for us to manage, but we were able to handle it.
And also with the messages that come through, depending on what's going on with the patient, they'll call our office with an urgent, with urgent symptoms, such as chest pain, elevated blood pressure, shortness of breath, a new onset of that. And so based on the urgency of the message, we have to prioritize which ones we respond to first.
Host: Well, you are all really the first line of defense and support for patients. Alyse, tell us a little bit more about the benefits and the importance of this role for that continuity of care that's so important today.
Alyse: I think one of the benefits is being the bridge between the doctor and the patient. Sometimes the doctors are so busy with managing their clinics, getting clinic notes done. A lot of our doctors are also assistant professors, so they have really busy schedules, but the nurses, we are there to handle things that we can, within our scope, talking to the patients, whether it's communicating with them in the portal, or actually calling them on the phone to help guide them on what, what their needs are.
Host: Such an important role. So Jennifer, how do you all support and partner with the providers? Alyse just mentioned a bit about how the doctors, you know, some of the other healthcare providers have their records to keep up and patients to see, and they're also professors. So tell us how you all partner with them because you are so vital in this chain.
Jennifer: Right. So we function as an extension of the provider, by working under their direction. Of course we know their preferences. So we know how to navigate their patients messages. If a patient has a new issue, that's not emergent, then we schedule them an appointment so that our provider can properly evaluate them.
Or if the patient recently had an appointment and is having issues with maybe a new medication or symptoms aren't resolved, then we know what information to get from the patient and send that to the provider, so then they can make further decisions for the plan of care. Communication is very important with our providers.
We can also send them messages during the day that, flagging them as urgent. So then that they know that that needs to be addressed, you know, before the other messages. We also convey diagnostic results to patients that providers have already reviewed. A lot of the providers, they'll cc us in results letters that they send back to the patients.
So then that way that gives the patient time to review them and then let it sink in and then we can call them and check in, see if they had any questions. Do they understand, provide further education. And then of course, if they have any other questions send that back to the provider.
Host: This is such a comprehensive job that you both have. Alyse, what are some of the challenges that you've had to overcome both before, during and after COVID? You mentioned how many thousands that come through your system every month, which really blows me away. And during COVID it must've been even more, with people so concerned about things. Tell us about some of the challenges, whether they be technical or staffing or informative.
Alyse: Well for me on a personal note, I come from the pediatric population. And so when I first started this role, I knew that it would be a great challenge for me to take on this role and to also learn more about adult nursing. Of course I had the basic knowledge, but a lot of the messages we get, a lot of the cases that doctors are working with, are very complex and they have such a diverse team of specialists that patients follow up with. I guess one, some of the challenges would be to try to prioritize which messages are important, which ones can wait, making sure that that patients are stable. And especially during COVID, it's really just also too try to keep up with CDC guidelines, COVID testing whether a patient presents with COVID symptoms or is it more a sinus related and going back and forth with that. So it has some challenges, but I will say that working with such a great group of nurses, we can come together, huddle on certain things and kind of figure things out amongst ourselves.
Jennifer: And I would like to add Melanie, what makes this area of nursing different is because we can't see our patients face-to-face. We have to do a head to toe assessment, basically blind, you know, asking questions over the phone, getting information from the patient. What did they see? How do they feel, vital signs and then gathering all that information and making our decision. Patient safety is always our top priority. And it's up to us to recognize that the patient's having a medical emergency and get them to the ER right away. And so in this field, we use our anatomy to make decisions based on the information we collect. And it is, we may not use physical skills such as starting IVs, administering medications, but we're constantly using our critical thinking skills. So that can be mentally tiring at times, and especially with the large number of messages, but we do handle it very well.
Host: I imagine you do. So, Jennifer, how has this combination of specialty knowledge that you have, leadership skills, relational expertise, you're doing face-to-face and Telehealth encounters. So you're often having long-term relationships with patients and their families and the patient centered medical home model. How has this all reinforced the critical need for RNs to provide that chronic disease management that you were just discussing, care coordination, all of these things together. How has it come together for you?
Jennifer: Right. So, patients, they see their provider, they have a short visit and then a lot of them, it can be overwhelming what all they're diagnosed with. They have a visit and they have lab work and then it confirms, you know, diabetes and high cholesterol. So doing spurts of you know education with the patient, maybe doing a little bit at a time with the patient. And then if they have questions, we encourage them to, you know, reach back out to us and then we can provide further education. I think that's important for patients to really understand, just them learning bits at a time. And then also, you know, if maybe lab work is very extensive, there's multiple issues, then we can schedule them a Telehealth video conference with the nurse practitioner or provider, and then they can do further education as well.
Host: That's so important. And I want to give you each a chance for a final thought, because what a great topic this is, and many people don't realize truly the importance of your roles in this department. So Alyse, starting with you, how do you work at the top of your scope? How are you staying on top of things? And also because it's been so stressful, staying mentally well yourself?
Alyse: That's a great questio, practicing at the top of my scope, just making sure that we manage portal messages to the very best of my ability before we send it directly to the doctor. And also too, I, think with the messages that we get, a lot of times, it's more so about investigating the case, looking at other doctor's notes from other specialties, such as cardiology or pulmonary or endocrinology and trying to put all of the pieces together.
So sometimes with doing that, I can answer the patient's question or address a concern before it has to go to the doctor or sometimes it doesn't even have to. As far as just trying to stay mentally well, I'm a believer in taking time off and requesting time off. It's there for a reason and I like to use it. I'm just trying to center myself, spend time with family when I'm not at work, trying to decompress. And even at work, if I need a moment away from my desk, I'll go to a quiet space and just count down to 10 and come back, with a more positive attitude so that we can best serve our patients.
Host: What an important model for self care you just described, Alyse, thank you for that. And Jennifer, last word to you. How has your knowledge base continued to grow in this role? I'd like you to speak about professional nursing growth, future direction and what you would like other providers to know. This is the most important, what you would like other providers to know about this role of ambulatory care transition RNs because you are the glue. You're the link that keeps the whole thing together.
Jennifer: Right. So in this role of nursing, I feel like I've learned so much. We get to see the whole picture, the whole process of a patient's healthcare journey. We get to see what initial complaints the patient has. What testing workup is done. And review specialist's notes and see the outcome and progression. So you definitely learn a lot.
We grow by interacting with our providers and asking questions. We've had to learn a lot more with COVID, staying up to date, like Alyse said, with vaccines, the virus treatments and vaccines. Another important part of this role is we've also learned how to take on more managing of the clinic. Our manager, Amy, Laura Spacey is very great. And she's also trained us on administrative duties in the event that she's out. So, I mean, nursing is just such a dynamic and complex healthcare profession. It's, you know, there's always room to grow and we enjoy learning from our providers as well.
Host: Well there are so many ways it can go in nursing now as a profession. What a burgeoning and really, really vital profession that it is and such a need right now. Thank you both, not only for everything that you do, but also for joining us today on UAB Med Cast. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the MIST line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or you can always visit our website at UABmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Audio Fileuab/ua245.mp3
- DoctorsJones, Jesse;Meador, Will
- Featured SpeakerJesse Jones, MD | Will Meador, MD
- CME SeriesClinical Skill
- Post Test URLhttps://cmecourses.som.uab.edu/mod/quiz/view.php?id=5726
- Guest BioJesse Jones, MD specialties include Diagnostic Radiology, Endovascular Neurosurgery, Interventional Neuroradiology, Neuroradiology, Neurosurgery.
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Will Meador, MD Specialties include Neurology.
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Release Date: May 10, 2022
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Jesse Jones, MD
Assistant Professor, Diagnostic Radiology, Neuroradiology & Neurosurgery
William Meador, MD
Associate Professor, Neurology
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. Today, we're exploring the management of spinal vascular lesions with Dr. Jesse Jones. He's an Assistant Professor and an Interventional Neuroradiologist at UAB Medicine and Dr. Will Meador, he's an Associate Professor and Neurologist at UAB Medicine. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us today. Dr. Meador, I'd like to start with you. Can you tell us a little bit about spinal vascular lesions, the etiology? Just talk a little bit about spinal vascular disease and what symptoms would bring attention to a provider.
Will Meador, MD (Guest): Sure. So spinal vascular disease is typically first evaluated by neurologists with patients who have symptoms localizing to the spinal cord. About 80% of those lesions are dural AV fistulas, or malformations of arterial or venous tree. And in that situation, patients typically present with episodic or stepwise progression. They may develop neurologic symptoms like weakness, stiffness, or spasticity, loss of bladder and bowel control that come and go, especially when they are under strain or walking for longer distances in a form called neurogenic claudication. And those patients, they're often worked up for other spinal cord pathology, such as transverse myelitis and other conditions, but ultimately need evaluation for possible dural AV fistula, cavernous malformations or other forms that can commonly present with spinal cord vascular lesions, and those also need to be considered in the initial workup.
Jesse Jones, MD (Guest): Dr. Meador, can you talk a little bit about distinguishing vascular lesions. I think my understanding is they're quite rare, versus the much more common garden variety say, a compressive myelopathy, or even like a vitamin deficiency. Is there a difference in presentation between these various spinal pathologies, the common versus the zebras if you will?
Dr. Meador: Absolutely, again, getting back to that claudication aspect of the presentation. So with compressive lesions, those tend to be progressive and constant over time, whereas the vascular malformations tend to have these fluctuating courses. And so we see patients who come in and they're often normal on exam or have very minimal findings, but they report, if they walk for longer distances, they have these profound symptoms.
And so that's a big clue when we're worried about something such as a dural AV fistula. With vitamin deficiencies, with other causes of myelopathy, those tend to be slowly progressive. So for a subacute combined degeneration, for example, those may present with several weeks or months of progressive deterioration.
Host: So then Dr. Meador, how is a patient with suspected disease worked up and eventually diagnosed? Tell us how important early diagnosis is to being crucial to improving the outcome prediction.
Dr. Meador: So working these patients up adequately is vital because they can sustain irreversible disability if it's not managed appropriately. And so we need to consider these things early in the workup, which begins of course, with a thorough neurologic examination, where we're assessing for reflexes and signs of myelopathy, such as spasticity. We're asking questions about neurogenic bladder and bowel, which are common in these patients. And we also need to consider the time course heavily when we're thinking about their history. Again, listening for those kinds of claudication like events. But beyond that, we usually start with imaging.
We may proceed with lumbar puncture for CSF analysis, to look for inflammatory causes of such symptoms. We would do blood work to look for common vitamin deficiencies and other causes of myelopathy, such as B12 or copper levels. And then we would proceed with more advanced imaging after that.
Dr. Jones: So by advanced imaging, you're talking about for instance, like an MRI?
Dr. Meador: Yeah. And so an MRI angiogram can be done of the spinal canal and those vary, I think in quality, based on the facility, that's performing them. But that may be an option, also DWI sequences, which are not commonly done on MRI of the spinal cord can be obtained as well, especially in the acute setting. And then further on to that, I would refer them to someone like yourself, Dr. Jones.
Dr. Jones: Gotcha. Yeah, reading these studies, it can be, sometimes very obvious to diagnose lesions where there's very large vessels. For instance, a spinal arterial venous malformation or another entity called a perimedullary fistula and arteriovenous fistula of the spine. These typically have very prominent blood vessels and they're quite obvious.
And other lesions, as you mentioned, dural fistulas, can be very difficult to diagnose, even with MRI, typically, you know what we're going to see is this some edema or swelling typically within the conus or the bottom of the spinal cord. Just because humans are upright and mainly we're upright walking, sitting, and the edema tends to develop in the dependent portions of the spinal cord being the conus.
But beyond that, you may not see an obvious flow void or blood vessel. And it really comes down to either, as you mentioned, a spinal angiogram or some of the more specialized studies we do here UAB such as a CT pigtail angiogram to really diagnose these dural fistulas.
Host: Dr. Jones, is there anything exciting in neuroradiologic imaging, anything that excites you that other providers might not know that you're doing at UAB? You just started to mention one.
Dr. Jones: So I think, given the challenges of diagnosing some of these spinal vascular lesions that really don't have a really obvious correlate on MRI, but the patient is obviously has symptoms as Dr. Meador alluded to either it's a claudication with activity or unexplained myelopathy. What we'll typically move on to is a study called a pigtail CT angiogram.
And that's something that is done at UAB. Where the patient has a catheter, which is a long, skinny tube placed into their aorta. And this catheter is kind of like, an irrigation hose that has a lot of little small openings in it. And contrast is injected through all these tiny openings and fills the aorta.
And as it fills the aorta, all of the spinal arteries and there's typically 31 of these, coursing from the aorta into the spinal canal are opacified. And we can actually see and interrogate each spinal artery, one by one, and look for a subtle sign of a dural fistula. This has proven to be very helpful to diagnose difficult or challenging cases.
Dr. Meador: And thinking about Dr. Jones, when we refer patients over to you for evaluation for such advanced imaging, are there any specific tests or things that we should consider and rule out before we refer them to your group?
Dr. Jones: I think, as you mentioned, just the thoroughness of the exam on your side, in terms of your neurologic exam and the, and the notes. I typically refer to those when I'm working up a patient and the MRI is very important to give us any kind of clue. Like I said, either some edema in the conus, which would lead us towards a vascular lesion, such as a dural fistula. Oftentimes the difficult cases that end up seeing me or my colleagues after years of a fruitless workup. And we're not really sure what's going on with these people. They don't really have cord edema. They may have more of a focal lesion, like a transverse myelitis type picture. But they don't have any of the more classic findings of a spinal vascular lesion. I think that's where the spinal angiogram can be very important in terms of being a gold standard.
Host: So which one of you would like to discuss treatment options now? Dr. Jones, I think that would be you tell us a little bit about the parameters for treatment modalities.
Dr. Jones: Once a spinal vascular lesion is found, really comes down to what the specific lesion is. And this is going to come to the realm of a sub-specialized provider to counsel patients appropriately. And that's either going to be a vascular neurosurgeon or an interventional neuroradiologist.
For instance, the dural fistula, these are typically treated surgically where that vein that receives this fistula's blood flow, can be exposed and clipped during a surgery. And, leading up to this, the spinal angiogram can be very helpful for the surgeon to identify exactly where the draining vein is located and really facilitate their surgery.
Some of the more intrinsic cord lesions, spinal vascular lesions that are actually within the parenchyma of the spinal cord, pose a real treatment challenge. You can't get to them easily because they're buried within an otherwise functioning spinal cord and they pose a lot of operative risk or perioperative morbidity. And so a lot of times what is done with these is they're observed. We try to minimize patients' use of any kind of anticoagulation that would predispose them to having bleeding and try to control their blood pressure. And if they do have unfortunately, an event where they have a bleeding episode, then we typically would go in and do a combination of an open surgery combined with an endovascular procedure to close off some of the vessels feeding into these lesions.
Dr. Meador: And once Dr. Jones's team is finished, hopefully, resolving the vascular malformation, of course, then we will manage subsequent spasticity and neurogenic bladder, gait disorder, et cetera, within the neurology clinic following up from that.
Dr. Jones: And Dr. Meador, what's your experience with like I say, once these have been diagnosed and, hopefully treated thoroughly, what's the prognosis in terms of, does rehab play a role, inpatient versus outpatient or are there other kind of adjuvant things that can be done to facilitate these people's recovery?
Dr. Meador: We really approached them pretty aggressively from a rehabilitation standpoint. And if patients are diagnosed with these vascular malformations in the inpatient setting, we would definitely push for inpatient rehabilitation, but most of the rehab, will actually occur as an outpatient, in the ambulatory setting. Assuming that they are ambulatory, at least can get to and from physical therapy. If they do have gait disorder to the point that they have difficulty with transportation and to getting into those appointments, we will try for inpatient rehabilitation. I think there's a lot of benefit to that, the biggest thing from my perspective is early recognition and early treatment because as you know, a lot of these deficits will be irreversible and if we can catch it early and treat it early, with the help of experts like yourself, then we will at least prevent any further disability accumulation.
Dr. Jones: And what's the best way for physicians out there that are suspecting a spinal vascular lesion or just something with a spinal cord that they're concerned about. What's the best way to get these people the care they need?
Dr. Meador: I think it's really important to try to get them evaluated soon, because neurology access is a problem nationwide and especially in our region, unfortunately, but trying to get these patients evaluated sooner rather than later by a neurologist, as you mentioned, earlier for that kind of detailed neurologic exam and detailed history to see if we suspect this condition. And then if we do, then neurologists should refer them to a center that can perform these advanced imaging studies, to rule that out very promptly.
Host: Well, thank you for telling us about the importance also of the multidisciplinary approach, certainly in the post-treatment modalities. So, Dr. Meador please talk briefly about ischemic myelopathy. You have some things you'd like to discuss that you would like other providers to know about. Please talk about those now.
Dr. Meador: I think when thinking about vascular disease in the spinal cord, we really need to also think about ischemic myelopothy or spinal cord stroke. Somewhere between one and 2% of all ischemic strokes in the United States are spinal cord strokes. And so it's often under-recognized. I think people learn in medical school about the anterior spinal artery infarct, which is the classic presentation, but it's actually quite rare that the patients present with such a classic presentation, where they have sparing of the dorsal columns. They can have, hemi-cord effects. They can have complete or partial transverse myelitis like presentations. Many of these patients have pain associated at the site of the lesion, which is a bit atypical for ischemic lesions and makes it a bit unique. And these are often proceeded with TIAs.
So these patients often have some transient ischemic attack, like event before that would localize to the cord. And then it went on to full on stroke later on. So I think that needs to be considered in these patients. And we need to consider that in any patient with a myelopathy because I do think it is under-recognized in the community.
Dr. Jones: That's very interesting Dr. Meador. And is it believed that these spinal cord strokes are primarily the result of atherosclerosis in those vessels, like in the aorta and the spinal arteries or is it more of an embolic phenomenon?
Dr. Meador: So most of these are likely atherosclerosis, from small penetrating arteries in the spinal cord, typically coming off of the anterior spinal artery because you have two posterior spinal arteries, right? So you have some redundancy and you have collateral flow there a little bit better than the anterior spinal artery. So most of these tend to be central core where the gray matter is, which has highest demand for blood flow, of course, but also anteriorly. And so these are thought to be primarily atherosclerotic. Most of the embolic disease that enters into the posterior circulation, will of course go north, if you will, to the brainstem or to the posterior cerebral arteries.
Dr. Jones: Well, that's something very interesting and also important, I think for providers of spinal angiography to be aware of as well. These are people that certainly, if it's highly suspected should not be going on to spinal angiography, given the risk associated with catheter placement in a diseased artery like that.
Dr. Meador: Absolutely.
Host: We'll do either review have anything you'd like to add as a final thought for other providers about what you're doing at UAB Medicine, Dr. Jones, why don't you start for us and give us your final thoughts.
Dr. Jones: Spinal vascular lesions are rare entities, but they're very important to be diagnosed because they're treatable. And if they're caught early, patients can have a remarkably good outcome in terms of functional improvement. Whereas if patients who are worked up and neglected and not get the MRI that they need or not get the neurology referral that they need; they unfortunately get to the point where they're diagnosed and there's really no useful treatment options. So I think working these people up early is extremely important, whenever it's suspected.
Host: And Dr. Meador, last word to you, what would you like other providers to take away from this fascinating interview today?
Dr. Meador: I think awareness the biggest element that we need to be thinking about this condition. And if we hear symptoms from patients that are suggestive of it, as Dr. Jones alluded to, we really need to get them worked up quickly and promptly and completely, because we really want to avoid disability or troubles accumulating.
Host: Thank you both so much for joining us. What an interesting interview. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at one 800-UAB-MIST. Or by visiting our website at UAB medicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. For updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research, follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Audio Fileuab/ua246.mp3
- DoctorsDionne-Odom, Jodie
- Featured SpeakerJodie Dionne-Odom, MD, MSPH, FIDSA
- CME SeriesQuality and Outcomes
- Post Test URLhttps://cmecourses.som.uab.edu/mod/quiz/view.php?id=5721
- Guest BioDr. Jodie Dionne-Odom is an Associate Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases, Chief of Women's Health at the 1917 HIV Clinic, and the Associate Director of Global Health in the UAB Center for Women's Reproductive Health. As a physician-scientist, she leads clinical trials to identify new ways to treat and prevent infections in women and pregnancy.
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Release Date: May 4, 2022
Expiration Date: May 3, 2025
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Physician Marketing Manager, UAB Health System
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Faculty:
Jodie Dionne, MD
Associate Professor, Infectious Diseases
Dr. Dionne has no relevant financial relationships with ineligible companies to disclose.
There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole and joining me today is Dr. Jodie Dionne-Odom. She's the Chief of Women's Health Services for UAB's 1917 Clinic. And we're discussing STS and pregnancy. Dr. Dionne, it's a pleasure to have you join us today. I'd like you to start by describing the major STI syndromes and the type of pathogens that are involved in them.
Jodie Dionne-Odom, MD, MSPH, FIDSA (Guest): Yeah, thanks for inviting me to speak about one of my favorite topics here today. So the providers and physicians who manage STI syndromes really break it into three different categories. And what we know is there's certain pathogens that cause ulcers and there's other pathogens that cause sexually transmitted diseases or STI that don't cause ulcers and there's others in women that cause vaginitis syndromes.
So for the ulcerative STI, what we're really talking about is syphilis and herpes simplex. Those are the two different infections that cause ulcers in women usually inside the vagina and the non-ulcerative STI will usually cause an infection of the cervix. So the cervicitis is caused by gonorrhea or chlamydia. And finally, the vaginitis will usually be women who present with abnormal vaginal discharge, and that's often trichomoniasis or a bacterial vaginosis. So there's about 30 different pathogens that can be transmitted sexually, that women are at risk of getting, but those are six of the most common players, most frequently seen in clinic.
Host: So, what have you been seeing in the trends for STI in women and pregnancy in Alabama and among the pregnant women Dr. Dionne, have you seen an increase in drug abuse that could be correlated with an epidemic of STI syphilis, but maybe not gonorrhea? What have you been seeing?
Dr. Dionne-Odom: Yeah. I mean, your questions are really great and they do sort of tell us where we're headed with what the research is showing us for the risk factors for getting STI in women. Unfortunately, in the US the STI rates are going in the wrong direction. Really, since 2013 rates in women had been consistently increasing. The CDC just released their 2020 surveillance report.
And there's 1.6 million cases of chlamydia that were reported to CDC nationwide. And the majority of those cases are in young women of reproductive age, between the age of 15 and 29. This is a relatively stable rate compared to last year. It's increased overall compared to the about five years ago. For gonorrhea, there are 680,000 cases, that's a 45% increase compared to last year.
And importantly, in women, in terms of thinking about pregnancy, syphilis is one of the most dreaded infections that we worry about because it passes the placenta so easily and can cause congenital syphilis. And unfortunately there's 134,000 cases of syphilis reported last year. And with a 52% increase from the year prior and as many as 2,148 cases of congenital syphilis. To give you perspective, there used to be 800, 900 cases of congenital syphilis a year. So it's really increased over 230% over the past five years with 122 stillbirths reported. And in 2021, we've already surpassed that number. We already have 2200 cases reported nationally.
So if you dig into understanding why this is happening, we've done some research with women living with HIV and also true with CDC data women without HIV showing that you're right, drug abuse is part of what's contributing to this trend. We know that some of the women are accessing care less frequently or are not being tested for syphilis because of alcohol and drugs that they're using that's keeping them out of care.
Really the major factors that we can identify that are causing this congenital syphilis increase is a lack of timely prenatal care and then inadequate treatment. Sometimes the diagnosis is made and the treatment is not given on that day. And you try to call a patient and she's unable to come back, or you just can't reach her to come back and give the benzathine penicillin.
The treatment for syphilis in pregnancy is very straightforward. Benzathine penicillin is very effective, very affordable, and we've been using it for about 50 years. So that piece is not complicated. It's really just getting the person back in, making sure you're diagnosing and treating the woman as soon as possible in pregnancy.
Host: Dr. Dionne, so what is new in your understanding of STI clinical presentation and diagnostic options? Speak about asymptomatic presentation, highly sensitive NAT testing that can be self collected. Tell us about this?
Dr. Dionne-Odom: Yeah, I think it's really important. Sometimes when people think about STI, they think about something that will bring someone into the clinic with an urgent problem, either dysuria or dyspareunia, but the majority of STI in women is asymptomatic. So they feel fine. They have no idea they have an infection and they often don't even know that they're at risk because their partner makes asymptomatic as well. You can imagine if people are asymptomatic, what we have to keep is a really high clinical suspicion for STI in these young women and test them frequently so we can get them treated. They will not present with symptoms for the most part. The exciting advance in diagnostics is we used to rely on culture for a lot of these organisms, syphilis you can't culture very well, and neither chlamydia can you culture very well.
Gonorrhea, you can, but with this new molecular NAT testing, we can do highly sensitive and specific testing on a urine sample, on a cervical swab, but the preferred method is a patient collected vaginal swab. These vaginal secretions will pool and the PCR is so sensitive that you send the patient to the bathroom with a swab and the likelihood of detecting the organism if it's there, is at about 98 to 99%. So really terrific tests. Some people don't like to come to clinic, not surprisingly. So some of the new research advances are, can we have home delivered STI testing for someone to do it in the comfort of their own house. Where they can send the testing in and be treated even in the absence of a medical visit, if they prefer that. Ideally in pregnancy, one of the benefits we have is we are seeing women pretty frequently to follow their pregnancy. So those all are good opportunities to talk about STI and to test so that treatment can be offered. But the new tests are really good. You can't get any better than the numbers for sensitivity and specificity that our NAT testing has.
Host: Doctor, what's the latest in STI treatment and prevention. Tell us a little bit about CDC and the RCT data that you've collected. Tell us what's going on.
Dr. Dionne-Odom: So the CDC updates their STD or now STI treatment guidelines about every five years. So I was part of the process that developed it. It was just published in 2021 and they really do an exhaustive review of all of the studies that have been published in the past five years, looking for the highest quality evidence or randomized controlled trials, but even retrospective studies, observational studies, anything that's new that we can figure out how best to treat STI.
Some of the RCTs that were done that changed STI treatment guidelines this time, one of the big ones is now the first line treatment for chlamydia is doxycycline. We have studies showing higher efficacy of doxycycline compared to azithromycin for chlamydia. So the recommendation for doxycycline is a 100 milligrams twice a day for seven days.
So we have to talk to patients to make sure they take all of that therapy. It's a little bit more complicated than a single dose azithromycin, but with a higher efficacy, it's clearly worth it. There's also been a simplification of the gonorrhea treatment. In the last iteration of the treatment guidelines, we were treating patients with gonorrhea with dual drugs, giving them ceftriaxone and azithromycin. But now we've taken azithromycin off that list with a recognition that it wasn't really adding enough benefit. And the dose of ceftriaxone has increased to 500 milligrams. So, a change in the gonorrhea treatment as well.
The other changes, the treatment for trichomoniasis and women with and without HIV is now to treat for seven day duration. We used to use single dose in women without HIV, but we have a well done study and RCT showing significant treatment efficacy with a seven day 500 bid dose of metronidozole. So those are the, some of the newest studies that have informed our treatment recommendations, but we obviously want new medications, better prevention tools. And a lot of researchers are working on that right now.
Host: Well then what are researchers at UAB and around the world working on to improve STI outcomes in women and pregnancy? Tell us what's new and exciting in preventive vaccines, oral treatments, anything you'd like other providers to know about.
Dr. Dionne-Odom: Yeah. So I think the very first thing to say is that we need to continue to prioritize studies in pregnant women. I think historically, there's been this idea that pregnant women are vulnerable and that we should not study them. And you can tell from the epidemiology and when we care for our patients, pregnant women are clearly at risk of STI.
So we need options that we can give them, that are safe and effective and the best way to prove that is through well-designed clinical trials. So some examples of clinical trials that are ongoing is new antibiotics. We're doing a study of a new oral fluoroquinolones for gonorrhea treatment, called zoliflodacin.
And it would be very exciting to have a new oral antibiotic that we could use in place of ceftriaxone since intramuscular ceftriaxone can be problematic to give some times. We're also working hard on vaccines. So we have a trial right now, that is giving uninfected adults meningococcal vaccine to see if it provides protection against getting gonorrhea, actually, and this has worked in some observational studies, but this is the first multicenter prospective study to see if we can prevent gonorrhea in this way.
Vaccines are wonderful because we can give them to people before they're exposed and they can provide protection over long periods of time. So you don't have to worry about screening and treating as frequently if you have an effective vaccine on board. Now that said, these studies that I've mentioned are not being done in pregnant women yet, but if there's efficacy in the non-pregnant women, the next study that would be done is a study in pregnancy, to see if it works there too.
A study that I'm working on in Cameroon to try to prevent STI in pregnant women is to add azithromycin to antibiotics that women are taking there already, when they're living with HIV to see if the addition of monthly azithromycin can reduce the rate of gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis and lead to babies who are healthier with a higher birth weight and have better birth outcomes overall.
So those are just a few of the many studies that are ongoing. There's really a lot of interest, I think right now, nationally and internationally, as these rates are going up to say, what can we do to make it better? We need better tools, and good data in women who are pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant
Host: Thank you so much, Dr. Dionne, what a great guest you are. This was so informative. Thank you again for joining us. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB medicine by calling the MIST line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or you can always visit our website at UABmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole.
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- Guest BioDr. Solomon's clinical interest centers on the care of CF and non-CF bronchiectasis patients and the pursuit of continued inpatient medicine care of these patients in the acute care setting.
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionWelcome to UAB MedCast, a continuing education podcast for medical professionals, providing knowledge that is moving medicine forward. Here's Melanie Cole.
Melanie Cole (Host): As the journey to end cystic fibrosis isn't a straight line, it really is an evolving map with many paths and unique challenges. Welcome to UAB MedCast. I'm Melanie Cole. We're exploring new research and clinical trials for CF patients with Dr. George Solomon. He's an Associate Professor in the Division of Pulmonary, Allergy and Critical Care Medicine at UAB Medicine.
Dr. Solomon, it's always a pleasure to have you join us. Start with a little bit of the evolution of the research for CF patients and where we are now. Tell us what we know that we didn't know say 20 years ago.
Dr George Solomon: Sure, Melanie. That's a great question and one that we're working on extensively here at our institution and across the country and really across the world to care for patients with CF. So there have been some major advances for the care of patients with cystic fibrosis in the last decade or more. Maybe the greatest advance that has been the development of drugs we call CFTR modulators, which essentially is a term that means small molecules that are taken orally, which activate defective CFTR protein. The CFTR protein is the protein that's sort of the business end of cystic fibrosis. And when it malfunctions, it causes essentially all of the pathology and the morbidity and results in mortality in patients with cystic fibrosis.
So in the last decade, we have developed these protein modulators, which activate defective protein in a large number of patients. And in 2019, there was a landmark approval of a combination of these modulators we call Trikafta now. And that drug activates the most common mutated protein called F508del CFTR. Now, that means that we have access for effective to highly effective drugs, which help with the basic problem in CF for many patients with cystic fibrosis, but it doesn't mean all. And unfortunately, many of the patients that are in the remainder 15 or so percent of patients that are not covered by these types of medications have extremely severe mutations and resulting protein defects in that CFTR protein. So as a result, they have very severe disease. And as a result of that, many of them are suffering still and feel a bit left out. And so our center here at UAB, as well as centers across the country and across the world has embarked on an initiative called the Path to a Cure, which is really looking at the next stage of development of molecules that would activate protein and/or replace defective gene that's known as genetic therapies of various sorts to work on those remaining 15% of patients who are not treated by these protein modulators, and maybe even more importantly to effect eventually a one and done cure for cystic fibrosis for everyone that's affected by the illness.
Melanie Cole (Host): What do you feel, Dr. Solomon, makes cystic fibrosis research so unique? As you're telling us what you need to figure out and the plan as far as the CFTR proteins, tell us some of those strategies and expand a little more on really how you're figuring out the underlying cause and how that's all coming down.
Dr George Solomon: That's a great question. I think one of the unique things about cystic fibrosis is, and the research realm is that, first of all, we act as truly a research collaborative across the world for this condition; that research initiatives, especially this Path To A Cure initiative, are intentionally made to be collaborative so that the best minds in the field and the best clinicians and the best clinical and basic science researchers are being put together really to make sure we're doing this the right way and because there's a lot of challenges in doing this kind of research.
When you talk about delivering genetic material to human beings, there are ethical and other concerns and safety concerns, which are unique to that type of therapy. And so myself along with others in our center and across the country and actually across the world have convened a genetic therapies working group, which has innumerous committees on it, trying to think about how we conduct this type of research, how we consent patients, how we develop models, like animal models, and imaging and other techniques to see if these therapies are effective and how that integrates into the right type of clinical trial designs to help pharma sponsors who are developing these types of therapies to try to move them forward to the marketplace. And I believe that this initiative is maybe the most collaborative that even the CF Foundation has sponsored in doing this kind of work. And so I believe that's a unique situation.
Now, the reason it was done is because, as I've mentioned a few moments ago, there are a lot of challenges with doing it. The safety ethical concerns and the access to the right types of patients who are not as common in cystic fibrosis at our centers makes this a much more challenging type of research to do, not to mention the long-term implications of giving genetic material to a human being as an exogenous therapy. And so that group is sort of leading the charge along with many other folks across the world to try and make sure we're doing this the right way and we're not taking it lightly. And so that means that we know the gravity of the situation and the challenges of getting those therapies developed to patients, but also conducting the studies the right way. And so I think we'll be seeing a lot more innovative designs of clinical trials, innovative designs of collaborations for referral of patients and new methodologies for understanding how the cystic fibrosis protein works and how we can deliver genetic materials to humans and to we call preclinical models like animal models, which may model the condition and help us understand how the treatments work in a better way in the future.
Melanie Cole (Host): Fascinating really. As you're really trying to figure out the underlying genetic mutations to address that root cause of CF, what other clinical trials and research are you doing at UAB that you would really like to mention for other providers that may not know about these things?
Dr George Solomon: So that's a great question. So part of this Path to a Cure, there's a second initiative in the Path to a Cure besides working on developing genetic based therapies to correct the basic CFTR defect. And the point of those genetic-based therapies really is to not have to worry about the gene mutation as long as we can correct and give normal CFTR genetic material, which would make normal CFTR protein and supersede the genetic defect. But as you can imagine, it's extremely challenging to deliver that genetic material to the lungs or to the rest of the body in a way that's safe. And so we understand this is going to take some time.
As a result, a second initiative within that Path to a Cure is to open up the doors for more patients to have access for those protein modulators than initially were intended by the original sponsoring pharmaceutical companies that develop them. And so our center here is sponsoring several studies looking at we call access trials, looking at access for these modulators to patients that heretofore have not had an FDA-labeled indication. What that means is the FDA has not approved the drug for those particular patients, because they have a mutation that's not been studied. So we hope to study those and novel ways of doing that. And we're looking at two populations right now on a study that we're conducting along with a couple of other institutions across the country. One of those is looking at patients that have the types of mutations that result in a milder type of condition, which usually presents later in life, we call adult or later-onset cystic fibrosis. And those patients usually at presentation have a milder disease phenotype than patients who might have more severe mutations, like the F508del mutation we talked about earlier. However, the mutations over time, the environmental responses infections, inflammation can cause these patients to have very severe illness. We want to help them because they have significant morbidity and a risk for early mortality as well.
In addition to that population, we're looking at a mutation called N1303K. It's important because the molecular mechanism by which the protein is defective is almost identical to what's happening with that more common mutation called F508del. And what we have learned from laboratory investigations in our center here in my laboratory and other laboratories we collaborate with, again, I want to highlight that Path to a Cure is highly collaborative, we've learned that the drug combination called Trikafta may actually activate that defective protein as well and result in some functions. So we're gonna actually going to be testing that in human beings, starting next month with a trial that would enroll patients throughout the country who would come here to receive the drug for a period of time and have observations and clinical investigations conducted on them to see if the drug is actually working or not on them with the goal of motivating a next step study to try to get access for those types of patients for this drug up to the FDA, that would have coverage for these highly expensive medications and perhaps have a better outcome for themselves short term, while we're working on the genetic therapies, which are coming around the pipe in the next few years.
Melanie Cole (Host): And that's really the crux, isn't it? To translate these findings into treatment strategies and adding to your promising pharmacologic approaches that you're developing and testing. How do you see this playing out in the future? And what do you hope to see happen as we wrap up, Dr. Solomon? And you're such a great guest and a passionate educator. Please give us your wrap-up and what you'd like other providers to know about Path to a Cure and the initiatives that you're doing there at UAB Medicine.
Dr George Solomon: Well, I think the answer is that there's a couple of take homes from this. One is we want to make sure we have not missed anyone with cystic fibrosis for two reasons. One is we want to understand diagnosis. As a corollary to this Path to a Cure, there are a lot of initiatives looking at better ways to diagnose and improve the diagnosis of cystic fibrosis, that we identify everyone who has this condition, because if we don't know you firmly have the condition we can't very well treat you for it with these advanced therapies.
In addition to that, we want to make sure that we have developed strategies to offer therapies, which are meaningful to the level of the CFTR modulators are for everyone with the condition once we've diagnosed it. And so what I would encourage outside providers who are listening to this is beyond hopefully being interested and inspired by the research is to think about if you have a patient that you think could have cystic fibrosis, please refer them to us, so we can try to make that diagnosis and work through that strategy, so we can get these patients into clinical trials if they qualify for them and get new therapies down the line, which may help and have significantly meaningful outcomes for them in the future.
Melanie Cole (Host): One hundred percent. And I certainly hope that you will join us again many times and update us as you learn more and there's new exciting advancements in the world of cystic fibrosis. Thank you, Dr. Solomon, as always. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the MIST line at 1-800-UAB-MIST or by visiting our website at uabmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB MedCast. For updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research, follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Featured SpeakerAnthony Morlandt, MD, DDS, FACS
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- Guest BioDr. Morlandt was born and raised in Floresville, Texas and graduated from Baylor University. He completed his DDS magna cum laude at the University of Texas Health Sciences Center in San Antonio, Texas, and received his MD and internship and residency in Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery from the University of Alabama School of Medicine. Dr. Morlandt then went on to complete a fellowship in head and neck oncology and microsurgery at the University of Florida College of Medicine in Jacksonville, Florida. He returned to Birmingham where he currently serves as Chief of the Section of Oral Oncology within the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery at UAB Medicine and is a full time academic head and neck surgeon. He is Director of the Head and Neck Oncology Fellowship program at UAB. Dr. Morlandt is an Associate Scientist in the Cancer Chemoprevention Program with the UAB Comprehensive Cancer Center. In 2015, Dr. Morlandt received the AAOMS Faculty Educator Development Award and has been inducted into the American Head and Neck Society and is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons. He is a Diplomate of the American Board of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery.
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole, MS (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. And today, we're discussing oral, head and neck cancer with Dr. Anthony Morlandt. He's a Head and Neck Surgeon in Head and Neck Surgical Oncology, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery. He's also an Associate Professor at UAB Medicine. Dr. Morlandt, it's a pleasure to have you back with us. You're always such a great guest. And as we get into this topic, why don't you start by telling us what makes oral, head and neck cancers unique in the field of medicine?
Anthony Morlandt, MD, DDS, FACS (Guest): Oh, thank you, Melanie. It's great to be back. Good to speak with you. Oral cancer is unique. Oral cancer is, you know, in some ways patients who suffer from oral cancer are the unsung heroes of medicine and especially of oncology practices. These are individuals who when undergoing treatment, have scars that are visible to the world, have radiation treatment effect and fibrosis that everyone can see that exists outside of their clothes. The facial appearance, the cosmetic outcome of a patient who's had cancer like this huge. And then quality of life outcomes when these are studied in the literature; sight, speech, chewing and swallowing as some of the most important aspects of getting through head neck cancer care.
So, we always talk about survival as kind of the key component, but it's not just survival, it's quality of life. It's helping a patient get back to their normal activities. Being able to face society, face the world, kiss their family members, talk to one another and even eat. I mean, eating is such a huge part of our lives socially, in addition to our nutritional intake requirements.
And so all of that has to be kept in mind. And just think it's a very unique patient population. There's a lot of, there's a lot of pride. There's a lot of sadness when patients have to suffer some of the disfiguring effects of the treatments that are available. So, you know, we have to be very sensitive to those issues and keep all of that in mind.
And the last thing I'd mention is one thing that also makes oral cancer unique is there is no widespread screening modality for oral cancer. And any of you who've been to your dentist, know that a good dental exam is about all that a patient can receive. There's no, mammography, there's no colonoscopy. We don't have a PSA. We don't have any other bloodborne or even tissue born biomarkers at this time to know whether a lesion is going to become cancerous, if it's dysplastic, if it's precancerous or know an individual's risk. Some of that's improving with biomarker options for screening in the saliva or in tissue, but for right now we really don't have a lot of options that our colleagues who treat breast cancer or even thyroid cancer and other cancers have. So it does depend on a good relationship with the primary care doctor or especially a dentist, 75% of patients who were seen with oral cancer are initially screened by their dentist.
It is important to maintain those relationships. It's a bit of a challenging field for sure. It's part of what attracted me to the field initially. My personal stories of my grandfather who passed away from head and neck cancer the 1990s. And an awful thing to watch where he went around to all of his primary care physicians, dentists. He had antibiotics, he had what was thought to be just a sore throat. Just thought to have a viral issue for months, but really had a stage four head and neck cancer and ultimately died from it. And this story is all too common.
Host: Wow, Dr. Morlandt. First of all I agree completely as somebody who has done a lot of podcasts on various types of cancers and the field of oncology, I agree with you about oral head and neck cancers. And thank you so much by the way, for sharing that story that you did. So, based on the intricate nature of this type of cancer, and as you say, the quality of life compared with so many others, and we're not diminishing any other cancers, but there is a difference when it's right out there for the public to see. And when it does involve swallowing, eating, talking, all of those things; how has medicine and in fact dentistry changed in recent years to improve those outcomes and help patients live longer, better quality lives?
You're doing so many exciting things at UAB Medicine. Tell us about how that's evolved and changed.
Dr. Morlandt: No. That's great. Yeah you're absolutely right. And how it impacts the patients in those visible ways. That the changes can be summarized into a few categories. It's diagnosis and detection, treatment and then reconstruction, right? So the reconstruction is probably where some of the most exciting changes have been made. It wasn't long ago, really in the 1990s, when a patient could have a cancer removed and maybe some local tissue brought in place, maybe a piece of the pectoralis major muscle, or a bit of the skin from th2e shoulder, that deltopectoral flap, Kamjian flaps as they were called. But very tight, lots of tethering, lots of limited range of motion and pretty awful surgery.
And so in the 1990s, microvascular surgery came of age. It was really developed and perfected by our colleagues in plastic surgery. And then otolaryngologists and oral maxillofacial surgeons began also perfecting the field of head and neck reconstruction. So instead of just taking a piece of someone's jaw out, for example, and filling it with a piece of their chest muscle and all of the morbidity that goes along with taking that large muscle from the front of the chest, now we can take a piece of bone, a piece of fibula bone, non-weightbearing, or a piece of iliac crest, that's vascularized, or a piece of scapula, actually put dental implants in situ that are guided with 3D navigation, actually temporize that piece of bone with teeth on top of the implants and transfer that piece of hard tissue with a soft tissue lining, a custom printed titanium reconstruction plate and the implants and the teeth all at once. So we are still using the patient's own tissue for the most part, but it's much more specialized.
It's much more specific based on their needs. If it's a bony defect, we try to replace the bony defect with bone. If they're missing teeth, we try to replace those teeth with implants and prosthetic teeth. And in the past that just wasn't an option. I think the other huge advance is in treatment. So patients now have access to proton therapy. We're the only proton therapy center in the state of Alabama. And it has made a huge difference in patient outcomes. And we have some highly skilled radiation oncologists here, and we're also seeing some opportunities with immunotherapy in head and neck cancer things like the PDL1 inhibitors, for example that are allowing patients to live a longer life.
So years ago when head and neck cancer treatment really wasn't associated with long-term survival, now we're seeing these patients do live longer, so it really speaks to the importance of good reconstruction. We've got to give that patient years of of good jaw form and of good chewing and of good facial appearance, and facial aesthetics.
And then on the screening and detection side, there are a few diagnostic adjuncts that are available even in the dental office to help, but ultimately now we still need that patient to receive a biopsy. We still need an office based punch or scalpel biopsy. It's a simple procedure. It's simpler than having a filling in your tooth done in a dental or an oral surgeon's office or an ear nose and throat doctor's office.
And that procedure helps a physician understand whether or dentist, helps the clinician understand if that patient has oral cancer, so they can be referred to a cancer center like ours for treatment. So there, there are some advances, I'd say in general, most of it centers around the use of 3D rendering and for surgical planning and also the use of intraoperative navigation with which helps us be better surgeons. Just helps us do a better. What's coming in the future? Well, I hope we can really use, really leverage the immune system with things like checkpoint inhibitors and more robust immunotherapy options and really understand the role of inflammation in oral cancer. You know, Melanie, if you think about the mouth is filled with teeth and we get bacteria around our teeth. The mouth is filled with about 200 types of normal bacteria that help us start digesting our food. Well, all of those bacteria play a role in inflammation. And so if there's an imbalance in healthy and unhealthy bacteria, we might see things like gum disease, for example.
Well, it's pretty well known that those same inflammatory mediators are overly expressed in patients who have cancer. So a mouth cancer is similar in its fundamental basis. And I'm not speaking as a scientist here, but the fundamental basis of mouth cancer is still based on some of the things that are very commonly seen in dentistry.
So, it maybe an option in the future to, to leverage the immune system to fight cancer even more in that way. One of the big challenges for the the physicians in the audience, is that genome level mutations are not thought to be implicated in oral cancer progression as much as epigenetic changes or post-translational modifications. And that may be due to the fact that we're constantly putting things in our mouth. We constantly have mechanical and contact related trauma, contact related mutagens. Because we put things in our mouth constantly, all sorts of preservatives and toxins even. And that may be make proteins and inflammatory mediators, the driving process of carcinogenesis more than just a DNA or genome level change. So lots of interesting things are being understood more as we get further along.
Host: I agree with you. And I think we're going to learn more about inflammatory markers and the immune system. I completely agree with you there, Dr. Morlandt, and I'd like you to tell us about Jaw in a day because you started about it just a little bit. I want you to expand for other providers that are not at UAB Medicine to hear the exciting things that you're doing and how you're really using instrumentation, coupled with improved imaging and these localization techniques to really provide minimum damage to surrounding tissue. You're able to do really cool things.
Dr. Morlandt: Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. We've put together some media on that topic, things like videos on YouTube that are available and we've had some local news stories with some really good human interest in patient related stories. But Jaw in a day and it's in its core is exactly that, instead of waiting six months or even a year to have normal functioning teeth after a part of the lower or upper jaw is resected using 3D navigation and patient specific implants that are custom fabricated through a number of techniques.
But the most common is a process called selective laser centering. Everything can be built from titanium. And so a custom plate is custom fabricated based on the patient's CT scan. And that plate is used at the leg. For example, if we're harvesting a fibula flap, with the blood vessels attached to put dental implants, just the same dental implant you might have, if you'd lost a tooth to gum disease or lost a tooth to trauma or a cavity, the same dental implants can be put into the leg.
And as long as they're positioned the right way, those four or five implants can then be, can be fixed with a temporary bridge that then is replaced with a permanent bridge. And those teeth are then all transferred to the mouth with the implants and the leg bone and the titanium custom plate and the blood vessels.
And based on our knowledge of dentistry and occlusion and orthodontics, all the things you spend years in dental school studying, you can put that jaw into exactly the right position. So when that patient wakes up, they can chew. And as you can imagine if any of those parts are put in the wrong position, nothing works.
So if a leg bone is slightly out of alignment and doesn't, doesn't meet the other jaw, then you can't chew. And if the teeth are not in alignment then if the implants are angulated poorly, so it's one of those things that we've been able to execute only because we have an excellent team. And as in, in many aspects of medicine, it takes people from different disciplines, different backgrounds, our prosthodontist Dr. Case trained at Memorial Sloan Kettering, has a dental background and also a prosthodontic background. And so is able to bring that training to UAB and our surgeons have extensive training in 3D surgical planning and partner with several industry groups to bring that into practice.
The latest thing we've started to do is actually custom 3D print our own teeth at UAB. And the reason that's important, is cost. Everything I described as is exciting, but is very expensive. It's all customized for a typical case that doesn't have any customized implants or any customized parts.
The cost is in the hundreds of dollars. But it can be many thousands of dollars to, to customize the entire process. We've been able to print 3D teeth here at UAB for about $10. And because they're temporary, we can do that. The patient can wake up, have a beautiful cosmetic result have some chewing function on temporary teeth.
And then those are replaced with porcelain or acrylic teeth later that are permanent, but that low cost really improves access to care for patients who may have dental coverage or good medical coverage. We have a lot of patients at UAB who are underfunded. So it allows us to give those patients the best we can offer.
Host: What a great educator you are. And I can hear the passion and yes, of course, Dr. Case has certain specialties that we haven't seen really anywhere else. You're very lucky to have him and obviously UAB with all of you. So as we wrap up, Dr. Morlandt, since cancers of the head and neck region can have, as well discussing devastating effects on appearance and function of the patient and are really among the most disabling and socially isolating cancers that really impact the patient's quality of life. I'd like you to speak now to primary care physicians, nurse practitioners, advanced practice providers, dentists to help their patients better understand those unique needs of oral cancer patients and their families.
Dr. Morlandt: Absolutely. I think the most important thing Melanie to remember is if someone has suffered from oral cancer, they've suffered not only physically. But also emotionally and psychologically. There is a component of PTSD with the treatment. And it has to do, I think with the fact that it's a very public illness, it's a public disease. You can't hide it under your clothing. There are no scars that are hidden underneath your clothing. It's the same for people who have disfigured hands. You know, these are out in the community, they're available at some of the exposed skin, along with the head and neck. And the problem with the face, good or bad as it makes up our identity.
You know, when we have patients who suffer from facial nerve injuries and our colleague, Dr. Green and Dr. Myers who run the facial nerve clinic could tell you, these are patients who really suffer from an identity crisis because they've lost their ability to function with facial animation. And they've lost their ability to function in that fundamental human mode of expression. So I think every primary care doctor and advanced practice needs to understand that these patients deserve a special level of compassion. On the other hand, patients who might have an oral cavity cancer really need to be evaluated by someone with some degree of specialty experience, they don't all need to come to the head and neck cancer clinic. But what we see in a busy primary care practice or urgent care clinic is a good examination of the throat, a good examination of the tonsils, sort of bypassing the tongue, bypassing the mouth and oral cavity. And these patients you know, many times have a long delay in diagnosis. And because there's no diagnostic adjunct available because I can't order a CT scan or order just an MRI and know if the patient has cancer, it relies on someone with experience. That person is usually the local dentist or dental specialist. And in some cases, the otolaryngologists or even dermatologist who, who spend a lot of their time looking at cutaneous lesions or mucosal lesions, but it really is important for that primary care physician to get someone involved who we might call a regional specialist in the care of the mouth. And some clinics are really excellent at that. And I think some have some opportunities and in various areas around the Southeast. We've had a lot of patients even lately with long delays in diagnosis up to a year. And unfortunately, a stage one cancer has about twice the survival over five years as a stage four cancer.
So, and all stage four cancers start off as stage one at some point. So there is an opportunity for early intervention if we have sharp eyes and are keenly looking for these patients in our clinics. So I think that's the message to our primary care colleagues for sure. Early diagnosis and detection absolutely saves lives. Oral cancer has a 65% five-year survival. Breast is 91, thyroid's 98, prostate's 90, oral cancer, 65. We've gotta be detecting these earlier if we're going to make a change.
Host: Well, if anybody can do it, you absolutely can. And your team at UAB Medicine. Dr. Morlandt, thank you so much for joining us. This was a great informative episode and a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or you can always visit our website at uabmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. For updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research at UAB Medicine, please follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Guest BioDr. Markert is the Chair of the Department of Neurosurgery at University of Alabama at Birmingham, and has been a faculty member in neurological surgery for since 1996. He attended college at Harvard College in Cambridge, Massachusetts, then obtained his MD/MPH from the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and School of Public Health in New York City. Subsequently, he trained in Surgery and Neurological Surgery at the University of Michigan Medical Center. Dr. Markert also completed a research fellowship at Massachusetts General Hospital in the area of molecular neurosurgery under the direction of Dr. Robert Martuza. Following the completion of his residency, Dr. Markert took a position at University of Alabama at Birmingham in neurological surgery and simultaneously completed a research associate fellowship in the laboratory of National Academy of Science member, Dr. Bernard Roizman. Dr. Markert's career has included clinical neurosurgery as well as laboratory and translational research to develop novel treatments for brain tumors; he has also been active in the education of residents, medical students and undergraduates. Dr. Markert has been very active in organized neurosurgery on a national level, and currently serves as the Secretary of the American Academy of Neurological Surgeons.
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole (Host): In a first for Alabama, UAB Hospital has opened a new surgical suite with the ability to take MRI images while the surgery is underway. This allows surgeons to see images in real time as an operation is progressing. Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole and joining me today is Dr. James Markert. He's the James Garber Galbreath Endowed Chair of Neurosurgery at UAB Medicine. Dr. Markert it's always a pleasure to have you join us. Today, I'd like you to get right into this. Tell us about the new surgical suite with the ability to take intra-operative MRI images while surgery is underway.
James Markert, MD, MPH (Guest): Hey Melanie. Well, it's great to talk to you again and thank you for having us. We are very pleased to have the ability to have this intra-operative MRI suite in Alabama, because it will allow us to take even better care of our patients with brain tumors, as well as some other conditions like epilepsy and movement disorders. And it's really an extraordinary feat to be able to do this. If you can imagine we can actually stop an operation or at least pause it and then take the patient into an MRI scanner. In our case, the MRI unit comes to the patient, get new images, find out updated data about where we are, what needs to be done, what the result has been so far, before we even complete the operation. So on the fly adjustments can be made and the operation perfected before the patient even wakes up from his or her anesthesia.
Host: How cool is that? So why the need? What had been some of the challenges that you identified prior to the new suite that may have frustrated you over time?
Dr. Markert: Sure. Well, I think that it depends of course upon the indication that we're using it for, but let's start with brain tumors because that's my own personal area of specialization. Brain tumors are different from other cancers because they occur in the eloquence of the human brain. And obviously we can't take a margin of tissue around the tumor to optimize our postoperative result, because if we did so, we could end up impacting the patient's function afterwards. We simply can't take out normal brain tissue from certain parts of the brain without having a profound effect on the patient post-operatively. So instead we're left with trying to take out every little bit of tumor that we can without impeding on the normal surrounding brain. Some brain tumors can be very obvious where they start and stop. Meningiomas are a good example of this kind of tumor, but other tumors, particularly primary brain tumors, such as gliomas, really fade off into normal brain.
They're more invasive. They have a center, a nucleus, if you will, that is compact and consists entirely of tumor cells. But as you get to the edge of the tumor, it starts to intermix with normal brain tissue and you have tumor cells associated with brain cells. In some cases, we can take a small margin of these brain cells, in others we can't simply because of where the tumor's located. So what we do is as we get close to that margin, we can go ahead and get an MRI scan during the operation, update our information. We'll use special neuro navigation during our operation, which is kind of like GPS for your brain. And this really helps us be extremely precise as we operate on each individual. And it lets us get a result that really is optimal for that particular patient. That's brain tumors.
The other indications that we use it for include things like deep brain stimulator placement. So there's different ways to place stimulators for people who have tremors and Parkinson's disease. But this is a remarkable technology. And perhaps you've seen a patient who has a terrible tremor in his or her hand, and then has their stimulator turned on and it completely disappears with the stimulation. These stimulators are implanted into a specific portion of the brain, depending upon the source of the tremors. And by actually getting an MRI scan in the middle of the operation, we can make sure that the stimulator is optimally placed to get the best possible result for the patient.
And then a third indication is for epilepsy. We have a new technology at UAB called LIT, which is laser interstitial thermal therapy, a big title, but basically it means we can actually implant a laser into portions of the brain that are not functional for normal brain function, but in certain patients are producing seizures. We can then get an MRI scan with the stimulator in place in the brain. And actually heat the brain tissue by the use of the MRI scan and destroy the source of the epilepsy. It's a fantastic procedure. And we can do that all in our intra-operative MRI scanner as well. So you can see, depending upon the condition, there are different reasons for wanting this, but in each case, it ends up with a much better treatment for our patient.
Host: No kidding. So tell us about your first procedure in the new suite. What procedure did you perform Dr. Markert and tell us a little bit about that.
Dr. Markert: Yeah, it was a very exciting procedure. It was a patient with a brain tumor in their frontal lobe. And this was a particular kind of brain tumor that actually gradually faded out into normal tissue. So we wanted to make sure that we took as much of the tumor out as was safe for the patient. We wanted to take as much of the tumor out as we could that was safe for the patient and remove these so-called tentacles of tumor that were invading to normal brain. We were limited though, by the fact that the tumor was relatively close to the speech center of the brain. And so we wanted to make sure that we didn't take out too much tissue because that could have left the patient with a post-operative deficit in their ability to communicate.
So this was a fantastic opportunity for this patient and the use of the intraoperative MRI scan allowed us to stop when we were getting near the end of the tumor resection, recheck the current status of the tumor in the brain by MRI scan, and then come back and take out some additional tumor and end up with really an outstanding result for this patient. So, fantastic opportunity. Great example of how useful this is for improving patient outcome.
Host: Dr. Markert, what happens to the staff when the MRI is in use?
Dr. Markert: Yeah. So, it's important. We have a very defined protocol for what happens during the actual MRI scanner. There is a broad blue line painted on the floor of the operating room. That is the reminder of the potential danger of a magnet this powerful. And we have to make sure that everything that is metallic is outside of this line.
So staff that are in during the MRI scanner include the anesthesiologist and a safety nurse officer who maintains the safety and is really responsible for making sure that the patient remains safe during this whole procedure. Obviously that's critical to our success. The rest of the staff then goes into the console room, which is outside of the operating room. And that's where I sit. And I'm able to look at a console and see the images as they come up in real time, which helps me make decisions quickly about what we will do when we go back in to the operating room. Do we need to take out additional tumor? Have we accomplished everything we need to, or in the case of some of our other specialties, do we like where the stimulator ended up?
Or does an adjustment needs to be made? Then MRI scan is completed. The MRI unit is removed from the room and we immediately go back in. Obviously, everybody repreps, gowns and gloves, and we complete the operation at that time.
Host: Tell us a little bit about the design, Dr. Markert. You mentioned that the MRI comes to the patient in your suite. Tell us a little bit about how this was designed. Is this going on around the country? Obviously it's a first for Alabama, but what's happening around the country as far as this design?
Dr. Markert: Yeah. So that's a great question. So there are actually different approaches to this issue. So for some MRI scanners that are in the operating room, we actually need to move the patient to the MRI scanner. The MRI scanner for these particular designs is located in the central area and the patient's MRI and operating table, which are one in the same is on a track. And you simply roll the patient from the operating room into the adjacent room where the MRI scanner is. I looked at some of these and I wasn't convinced that they were quite as safe for our patient population. So we chose a different type where the MRI scanner's actually on an overhead track in the ceiling. It does sit in a central room. And then when we're ready for the patient to undergo the MRI scan, we actually stop the operation. We close the scalp so that things are kept sterile. We have to count all the metal instruments, because we want to make sure that there's nothing in the room that could get sucked into the MRI scanner by its very strong magnet.
And then the MRI unit actually comes into the operating room along its overhead track and envelops the patient. And we get the scan that way. And then at the end of the scan, it then returns back to its central room. The double door closes and we take the drapes off the patient and we can resume our surgery immediately. It's fantastic.
Host: It is fantastic. Where do you see this going in the future as far as additions and updates? Will other service lines be using it? Tell us about what you see happening.
Dr. Markert: Yes. I think that as it becomes familiar, it's like so many other introductions of technology into medicine in the operating room. Once we try it in one indication, we find out, well, gosh, maybe we can use it for this indication as well and improve things. So I think that there's going to be other opportunities, to use LIT perhaps in the context of tumor destruction, that's already been done at some centers, but to be able to use it with the intraoperative MRI unit that we have, will really be step up from current technology. I envisioned that we will also be able to use this for other conditions. We hope, for example, that patients with spinal cord tumors might benefit from this kind of technology, I assume that our deep brain stimulator surgeons will find other approaches to using this, to help patients get the best outcomes from their surgery without having to stop at the end of surgery, go get an MRI scan and see if things ended up the way you wanted them to end up.
I think there's a whole host of things that we could use this for in neurosurgery and they remain to be delineated. I know that we have other service lines here that have already expressed interest in it. For example, our gynecologic oncologic radiation oncologists are interested in using this to confirm their placement of tiny particles or seeds of radioactivity called brachy therapy, in their patient population so that they can end up placing these radiation seeds exactly where they need to be, first time, every time.
I think that other service lines will say, gosh, this is something that we can use in our setting as well, and it'll be exciting to see how these unfold as we go forward.
Host: I imagine they will, so many uses and what a cool advancement. Thank you so much, Dr. Markert for joining us and telling us about the surgical suite with the built-in MRI at UAB Medicine. A physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or you can always visit our website at UABmedicine.org/physician.
That concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionWelcome to UAB MedCast, a continuing education podcast for medical professionals, providing knowledge that is moving medicine forward. Here's Melanie Cole.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Welcome to UAB MedCast. I'm Melanie Cole, and I invite you to join us as we discuss cystic fibrosis and the future of telemedicine. Joining me today is Dr. Bryan Garcia. He's a pulmonologist in critical care medicine and an assistant professor at UAB.
Dr. Garcia, it's a pleasure to have you join us. I love this topic and telemedicine has certainly come to the forefront for patients and providers in recent times. It's happening all over the country. How have you been using telemedicine for your patients?
Dr. Bryan Garcia: Oh, that's a great question. Yeah, I totally agree. It's really amazing how the last two years have changed our ability to connect with our patients in different ways, obviously. And it's in large part due to the early constraints of the pandemic that we have made these changes so quickly. And I think that our CF group and, in general, the CF Foundation early on in the pandemic made really rapid, tremendous strides towards making sure that we could continue to maintain a close relationship with the patients without having to initially expose them to COVID. And now, that has even really morphed into how do we continue to provide care for them that's really more convenient and accessible and affordable?
So our group right now sees about half of our patients through a telemedicine platform. And that could be through a simple telephone call, but we really try to actually have them all be some form of video visit. I think it helps to maintain that relationship as close as possible despite the distance. And that continues right now. We see at least half of our patients through televisits, which is fantastic for people with rare diseases to be able to access specialty care that's really at the tip of their fingers, as opposed to having to drive several hundred miles to come see us, which is expensive at five bucks a gallon right now and very not conducive to them continuing to maintain normal life when they have to take a day or even two days off from work or from family life in order to come to their doctor's visits. So for all these reasons, I think telemedicine is providing a tremendous opportunity to provide access to care for our CF patients.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Dr. Garcia, we certainly have seen this pandemic encouraging healthcare systems to be more creative and innovative in their ability to deliver care. Can you tell us a little how this has transformed your decision-making scenario and how have patients adapted to it?
Dr. Bryan Garcia: All great questions. The first one is how does telemedicine affect our decision-making? And so you can imagine early on, there was not too much thought that went into this. It was really just, "Let's connect with the patients from afar." But fortunately, the CF Foundation invested very heavily in getting home monitoring systems for these patients, which included basically a spirometer as well as the ability to access samples of their sputum, which is actually very important for us for decision-making when patients aren't doing well to know what microbes might be growing in their airways and also what's their most recent lung function. We found these spirometers to be extremely accurate compared to those we have in clinic. And so we've really taken advantage of those since that time.
Our patients in this clinic tend to be younger. They tend to be in their 20s, 30s and 40s. And that's due in large part to the kind of demographics of cystic fibrosis right now. We'll see that continue to move older and older. But right now, that's where the bulk of our patients exist. And those folks, as you can imagine, are far more technologically savvy. Most have actually, you know, video phones, cell phones that are smartphones, and they can do this from sometimes their cars, not that they're driving of course, but they might you know, during the work day, go out to their car and basically have a visit in their car, you know, in private while they're at work on lunch break, for example, something like that. And so our patients, I think, have been able to take to the technology quickly for that reason.
The improvements in their health that they experienced around the same time as a result of some new drugs that came out coincided with them being able to have more normal lives also. And to not have to travel so far, like I said before, to be able to take a visit from your lunch break instead of having to drive 240 miles from the Pensacola area, that really benefits these people from that standpoint as well, maintaining some degree of normalcy while still being able to connect with your doctor.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Dr. Garcia, how has it shown efficiency while changing the care paradigm to the home, decreasing hospitalizations, obviously during COVID and readmissions? What about cost effectiveness or insurance implications? Is this cost effective? You just said it was satisfying for the patients and for the providers. But where does cost figure in?
Dr. Bryan Garcia: That's a great question. There's costs at different levels. And so it's really, where do you want to look for the cost? Like I said before, for the patient, this is very cost-effective, right? For patients who live in the panhandle, they don't have to drive. They don't have to pay for gas. They don't have to pay for meals. They don't have to pay for their hotels.
For the providers, if done correctly, it should also be quite cost-effective. You should be able to significantly cut down on your overhead, for example. And then, you know, from the standpoint of healthcare utilization, if we have the ability to intervene more readily with more information, for example, if the patient doesn't need to delay their appointment for two weeks because of access to a vehicle, then we can get them their medicines earlier, and then that might also cut down on, you know, healthcare utilization, and potentially even hospital admissions and things like that. So there's, win-win win right there for potential for all parties. when telemedicine is utilized appropriately.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): What about for other things like provider collaboration and opportunities for growth, new research being shared? Are you using it for those as well?
Dr. Bryan Garcia: When we have televisits for the CF patients, these can be or tend to be multidisciplinary where more than just a physician or a nurse practitioner sees the patients. And so we've had to adapt to being able to provide telemedicine with a multidisciplinary approach, which is different than that of a standard primary care doc, for example, who might be having a televisit with their patient where they're the only person who needs to meet with that patient that day. So there's unique challenges there for our group.
We have utilized it for remote monitoring during specific clinical trials and that is moving more mainstream. For active clinical trials at the time of the pandemic onset, many of them made exceptions for these types of visits or certain visits to be maintained as televisits. And since that time, new trials that you see coming forward are more commonly incorporating televisits for remote monitoring, as opposed to bringing the patient all the way back to the hospital, which for rare diseases, again, that's another major victory to say, "Hey, you have this unusual disease. You want to participate in a research trial, but you live in Mobile and this is being done in Birmingham." But fortunately, now let's say for example, instead of eight visits to Birmingham, now it might be three or four for some of these clinical trials. So yeah, telemedicine is extending beyond just the clinical care as well.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Well, it certainly is. As we wrap up, what would you like to tell other providers, some key learnings that you think that they would like to know about if they're setting up their practices for telehealth going forward? I mean, is this something that you see that you're not going to stop, because it's working and it's added benefits? And so what would you like other providers to know about that?
Dr. Bryan Garcia: There's been a lot of talk back and forth since, you know, just a few months into the pandemic about how will this continue to be reimbursed, and will it be continued to be reimbursed, for example, which is ultimately at the end of the day all physicians are still businesses. They still need to make money. They do need to be reimbursed. And I am certain that there is such bipartisan, pan-American support for telemedicine, that this is not going away and to plan for the future of how to best incorporate it into your practice, you know, pattern and practice paradigm that exists for you because each doctor is different, but you have to take advantage of this and it's not going away. And so begin to invest in it for the long-term and not just to think that once COVID is over, it's over and that there won't be telemedicine.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): That's great advice. Invest in it for the long-term, because it's not going anywhere. And thank you so much, Dr. Garcia, for joining us today. A physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the MIST line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or you can always visit our website at uabmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of UAB MedCast. And for updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research, follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Featured SpeakerKirk Withrow, MD
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- Guest BioDr. Withrow joined the Department of Otolaryngology where he currently serves as an associate professor. He received an undergraduate degree from the University of Kentucky prior to completing medical school at the University of Louisville. In 2008, he completed his otolaryngology residency training at UAB. Certified by the American Board of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, Dr. Withrow has earned many accolades while at UAB, including "Faculty of the Year" and multiple awards for various artistic endeavors.
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. And today we're discussing hypoglossal nerve stimulation to treat obstructive sleep apnea. Joining me is Dr. Kirk Withrow. He's the Director of Salivary and Sleep Surgery in the UAB Department of Otolaryngology at UAB Medicine. Dr. Withrow, it's a pleasure to have you join us today. I'd like you to start by giving us a brief overview of obstructive sleep apnea and the trends that you're seeing. And tell us just a little bit about who's at risk.
Kirk Withrow, MD (Guest): Sure thanks for having me. Obstructive sleep apnea is the most common form of sleep disordered breathing, and essentially is a pathologic amount of obstruction due to collapse of the airway and loss of muscle tone. And that leads to a disordered sleep architecture and desaturation in the blood oxygen levels which in turn leads to quality of life issues, such as snoring, cognitive deficits, excessive daytime sleepiness, and then health risks that we're pretty aware of including high blood pressure, you know, heart rhythm issues, heart attacks, and stroke risks.
Host: We're certainly learning more about the link between sleep disorders and obesity and diabetes, as you say, so many other things. So let's talk about first-line treatments because we really want to get into our hypoglossal nerve stimulator. So just tell us about conservative measures you would try first. Speak about C-PAP, medications, first-line treatments, and adherence to these treatments and specifically C-PAP.
Dr. Withrow: Sure C-PAP is as far and away the, the first line treatment. It has some significant advantages over most other treatments in that it can be titrated in the sleep lab and be shown to be effective at treating sleep apnea in a given patient. And unlike our other options where we have to kind of work backwards from that, and we'll talk more about that in a minute, I would assume, but the issue that C-PAP has in treating sleep apnea is that once they arrive at a set effective level of therapy, tolerance is, is the, the key question. And it's about 50, 50. On average, you know, a sleep lab that is very diligent might be able to get their patient compliance up to maybe 60 or 70%.
But the fact of the matter is that even though it is effective, not everyone can use it.
Host: Yeah, so we've seen a lot of literature on that and the adherence issue. So, barring all the rest of those things, tell us about hypoglossal nerve stimulators. How do they work? Tell us a little bit about this procedure and the device.
Dr. Withrow: Sure. Oh, well, I'll start with what we've had available just prior to that. And we have surgeries that can open the airway by moving the skeleton. So jaw surgeries to increase the amount of room for the tissue in the airway or surgeries to remove or alter that tissue, like taking out tonsil tissue and that sort of thing. Those can be effective, but as you would imagine, they're considerable procedures to go through. And so the more recent therapeutic option, that's been, been very impressive with its ability to treat it, but also with the lack of morbidity is hypoglossal stimulation and essentially it involves a nerve stimulator specifically to the hypoglossal nerve, that allows the addition of muscle tone, which is what is lost when we go to sleep to prevent the airway collapse. And in fact, to open the airway. Even though it's attached only to the hypoglossal nerve at this point, that moves the tongue, which is in turn attached to other structures, such as the soft palate and the epiglottitis. And therefore it can be almost a complete upper airway stimulation in many instances.
Host: Speak about patient selection, who makes a good candidate for this procedure?
Dr. Withrow: So as with most surgeries for sleep apnea, body weight is important. There are, there are practical and insurance considerations as far as that goes. Most surgeries are felt to be a lot less effective when you get above a BMI of 30. We have pretty good data up to 35 with the hypoglossal stimulators.
So, you know, certainly above that, we have to really encourage weight loss. Private insurance will cover this procedure up to a BMI of 32. Medicare covers it up to 35. So that is one of the big criteria. Other criteria that are of significant importance, including obviously having sleep apnea and at a mild or above level.
So 15 events and up typically is where, where this therapy is indicated. A patient can't have too much central sleep apnea. That's a fairly uncommon finding relative to obstructive apnea where the brain is essentially not telling the patient to breathe as opposed to obstructive apnea, where patient is trying to breathe, but the airway is collapsing and preventing that air flow.
And then the last criteria and maybe the most important one for the current device that we have available is how the airway collapses when we do a sleep endoscopy. A sleep endoscopy is a 20 to 30 minute procedure where we give a patient sedation and use a flexible scope to watch the airway collapse.
And that in turn tells us exactly what is occurring during these episodes of obstruction and apnea. And in turn will a stimulator effectively treat that.
Host: It's fascinating. What an exciting time to be in your field. Dr. Withrow speak to other providers about the changes that you've seen in patients once they start using the hypoglossal stimulation. Tell us about your outcomes.
Dr. Withrow: As far as the current device, that's FDA approved is the Inspire device. And to date, I've placed around 300 or so of them. And we see anywhere from probably 75 to 80% reduction in the severity of apnea. Quality of life improvement is, is very, very high, as is patient satisfaction. It's probably on the order of 95%. As far as you know, the patient's acceptance and approval of this therapy and even recommendations to other patients. So it's been pretty remarkable. That's far better than we can see with most of our other surgeries. And given that this isn't meant to replace C-PAP that's it's even more, more important I think because you're taking patients who are otherwise completely untreated and can give them a very acceptable and tolerable means with very high compliance.
We've rarely see people who don't use it, you know, the entire night of their sleep because there's not a whole lot that they have to do. They just turn it on and it does its thing.
Host: Wow. As we wrap up, Dr. Withrow tell us a little bit about the procedure itself and recovery and speaking to other providers, what would you like them to know about hypoglossal nerve stimulation and referring patients to the experts at UAB Medicine?
Dr. Withrow: Well, I would say as far as the, the procedure itself is a, an outpatient procedure it's done under general anesthesia. It takes me approximately an hour to an hour and a half to do. There's very minimal recovery, minimal pain with it, certainly relative to our other surgeries. There are other devices in the works, we have a couple of others that we're doing a trial on. There's a DREAM trial, which is for a device called the Genio device, which is a different type of a hypoglossal stimulator and the OSPREY trial, which is for a device called the Aura device again, another hypoglossal stimulator, which just adds more options for patients and more potential patients that can be treated.
So I think that the main thing for referring providers certainly, you know, if they are specifically interested in Inspire or hypoglossal stimulation you know, those criteria that we went over before are the main ones that are used in that regard. Insurance, pretty much universally approves that therapy as long as we meet the criteria.
But you know, we're certainly happy to see other patients, whether they are you know, clearly a good Inspire candidate or hypoglossal candidates. Sometimes we can help them to become a candidate for that. Or we do always have other options that we can pursue to try to get their sleep apnea under better control.
Host: Great information. Thank you so much, Dr. Withrow for joining us today. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at 1-800-UAB-MIST. Or by visiting our website at uabmedicine.org/physician. That concludes this episode of the UAB Med Cast. For updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Audio Fileuab/ua241.mp3
- DoctorsSubramaniam, Akila
- Featured SpeakerAkila Subramaniam, MD
- CME SeriesQuality and Outcomes
- Post Test URLhttps://cmecourses.som.uab.edu/mod/quiz/view.php?id=5654
- Guest BioAkila Subramaniam is an Assistant Professor in the Division of Maternal-Fetal Medicine. She completed her bachelor degree in Management Science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Shen then went on to complete her medical degree and a master’s in public health at the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans, Louisiana.
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Release Date: April 11, 2022
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole (Host): This is UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. Today we're discussing COVID-19 vaccines in women and during pregnancy. Joining me is Dr. Akila Subramaniam. She's a specialist in Maternal and Fetal Medicine and an Associate Professor at UAB Medicine. Dr. Subramaniam, thank you so much for joining us today. A lot of confusion surrounding the vaccines, everything that's changing seems like it's always changing. So what precautions first are we suggesting pregnant individuals and their families take during this pandemic, we're almost kind of through it, but you never know. There's always these variants popping up. So tell us a little bit about what we know now about couples that are planning to have children or that are already pregnant, what you want them to know about vaccination and even protecting themselves with masks and distancing.
Akila Subramaniam, MD (Guest): Yeah. So, we've had the opportunity to learn quite a bit now, over two years of the COVID-19 pandemic. And there is a significant amount of data that is available that suggests that pregnant women are particularly susceptible to severe illness and when I mean severe illness, so while, the majority of people may be asymptomatic and mild compared to non-pregnant individuals, pregnant individuals tend to have or require more ICU visits, intubations, we've seen an increased number of deaths among women when you compare the same age, but just one group is pregnant and not.
And so when you look at this, in the sense of how much more at risk pregnant women are, there are important strategies that we need to take to protect these women. And because they're pregnant, they're infants as well. Those strategies include masking. There's been changes in the masking policies, federally.
And so I would urge everyone to follow those policies. But masking does reduce transmission. And then the other thing that we can really do is vaccinate. So the vaccines that are widely available, there are three different types. Two are, of an mRNA type and one is a different type. They're all generally very safe in pregnancy. And if you look at the studies and I'm sure we'll talk about this more in the segment, they not only protect moms, but they protect their infants and they protect their young children as well. And so the simple sort of take-home point that we'll start with today is that pregnancy puts women at risk for becoming potentially very sick with COVID. Despite all of the different waves and the different surges and the variants, pregnant women are a more susceptible population. And so different types of interventions to reduce their risk are very important. One being vaccines, which are safe and effective, and one being masking in the appropriate settings as endorsed by CDC guidelines.
Host: So Doctor, ACOG is now supporting the COVID vaccine. What does that mean for pregnant women? When you are counseling and advising your patients and for other providers that are doing the same, are you receiving questions, push back. What is it they are asking you. And then how do you respond? Because now ACOGs on board. So that sort of changes it for you guys a little bit, doesn't it?
Dr. Subramaniam: Yeah, I will say that ACOG and the Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine, so the SMFM started endorsing vaccination for pregnant healthcare workers very early on. So really, as soon as the vaccination came out. For the public, which has a lower risk group of individuals, as opposed to healthcare workers, the endorsement of vaccination has actually been out for quite some time. I think that, you know, you have to put this in focus of a pregnant individual. Pregnant patients very concerned with their infants and their neonates. And so we see this very frequently in pregnant patients where let's say they have an underlying medical condition, like high blood pressure. We all know we should treat high blood pressure, but they get a little bit worried about the risks of that medicine to their infant. And there's a lot of different medications that are safe for the infant. So we frequently will see patients come in, who have just learned that they are pregnant, who have stopped some of their medications for chronic illnesses as a result of wanting to protect their unborn babies.
So the hesitancy to take medications, receive vaccinations. That's really nothing new when it comes to pregnant individuals. And if we look at that in the scope of COVID, that continues. So, I'll talk about another vaccine that's, very widely recommended for all pregnant individuals, which is the flu vaccination.
The flu vaccination has been recommended, during flu season for all pregnant individuals, because they do get more severe illness. But when you look at how many pregnant patients decide to take the flu vaccine, it's not very high because there is some concern. So we see that same sentiment being echoed, in terms of the COVID-19 virus and vaccination. What I will say is that when we approach our patients who have this hesitancy, what has been resounding from these bodies, so ACOG or SMFM is that vaccination is safe. They have multiple huge databases out there that show, no untoward effects in terms of birth defects, in terms of fertility, but we do know it's protective and really what these bodies are recommending is vaccinations when before you try to get pregnant, as soon as you get pregnant, during the pregnancy, even postpartum and in breastfeeding. So there's, never an ideal time. So there are certain medications that we use in pregnancy where we say, hey, don't take them in the first trimester. You can take them later. But when it comes to COVID-19 vaccination, there's no best time. Anytime is the best time to be vaccinated because it does not just protect moms, but it protects their newborns. And a lot of studies have shown that if you get that vaccine, especially in the third trimester, so close to delivery, that passive immunity and what I mean, passive immunity, mom develops a robust antibody response. Those then cross to the baby and provides a vulnerable new infant with some protection against this virus as well. So, usually this is a discussion that we have with our patients as to the risks and the benefits. The risks are essentially none, some mild side effects of actual the vaccine. So like, arm hurting or feeling some fatigue or malaise, but the benefits really are pretty significant, not just to the pregnant patient, but also their newborn as soon as that infant is born.
Host: Well, thank you. That was a very comprehensive answer. And doctor, I'm glad that you mentioned the flu vaccine. What about other vaccines? Like T-DAP. If a woman got that as a child, does she need it in pregnancy? What are you recommending when it comes to those other vaccines?
Dr. Subramaniam: There's really three vaccines, that are routinely recommended in pregnancy. We've just talked about the COVID-19 vaccine and really the story is not completely unfolded as to how long we will continue to be recommending that potentially yearly or boosters, we just sort of touched on the flu vaccine.
So, the flu vaccine is recommended, to all pregnant patients during flu season. So talking about, late fall, winter, early spring, and then you have T-DAP is, as people may or may not know, protects against tetanus, diptheria and pertussis, but pertussis being the most important one to consider when we're talking about vaccination and pregnancy.
But pertussis causes whooping cough. And so it is recommended, by ACOG, and all the pregnancy bodies that pregnant women in their third trimester, so really after 27 weeks get vaccinated with the T-DAP to protect themselves and really their infants from the whooping cough. So just like what we talked about with COVID, a patient gets the vaccine, they have a robust antibody response, and those antibodies passively go to the baby to protect a newborn vulnerable baby that doesn't have a very robust immune system.
It gives them the antibodies to potentially fight pertussis because there has been an increase in rates of pertussis or whooping cough, in this country. So we routinely recommend the T-DAP vaccination after about 27 weeks up til delivery, to protect those newborn infants.
Host: Yeah. I had a son that had pertussis and I'm telling you right now, it was not fun. And even though he was vaccinated, he got that whooping cough, and it was a very scary time. So what else would you like us to know? Because there are new variants coming out. And so you've talked about vaccination and masking, according to the CDC, what else would you like families and families that are in planning or even in fertility treatments to know about some other things that they can do, whether it's boosting their immune system, continuing to do some physical distancing. What else do you counsel your patients to keep them healthy as they are planning pregnancy and beyond?
Dr. Subramaniam: So I think when it comes to what's happening with the COVID pandemic, I think all of us are hopeful, or maybe it's wishful thinking that we're sort of maybe nearing the tail end of this, but the question is who really knows, right. There's a variant running through Europe right now, that has really sort of taken over as the dominant variant. It's a variant of the Omicron, string. So, I think all of us are hoping that we're nearing the tail end of it, but, we don't really know. And so I would say, that we should all still be cautious and not let our guard down completely because then we could be back where we were about a year ago. So taking precautions such as, good hygiene.
So hand-washing, taking care of using soap and water to wash your hands, masking in places that there's a lot of people or there's a high rate of COVID that's still in the community. I think those are some important strategies. They just, reported that patients over 50 years of age should get a second booster.
So I think following CDC guidelines is really important and if you haven't gotten boosted, potentially getting boosted. There's some good data that suggests that there's waning immunity in some individuals. So I think just continuing to be abreast of the recommendations and following those is really important.
Host: I agree with you and thank you so much, Dr. Subramaniam for joining us today and sharing your expertise. And a physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at 1-800-UAB-MIST. Or by visiting our website at UABmedicine.org/physician. That wraps up this episode of UAB Med Cast. For the latest on medical advancements, breakthroughs and research, please follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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- Audio Fileuab/ua238.mp3
- DoctorsShedlarski, Antoinette;Rosales, Jennifer;Hicks, Alyse
- Featured SpeakerAntoinette Shedlarski, RN | Jennifer Rosales, RN | Alyse Hicks, RN
- CME SeriesQuality and Outcomes
- Post Test URLhttps://cmecourses.som.uab.edu/mod/quiz/view.php?id=5650
- Guest BioAnnie (Antoinette) Shedlarski, RN, MSN, CNL is Site Manager, UAB Medicine Hoover Primary & Specialty Care medical office building. Moved from Tennessee in 2006 to Hoover and started working at UAB in January 2006, transitioned to UA Health Services Foundation in 2016 as manager of Hoover Primary Care
Love Ambulatory nursing!!! Have 4 daughters and two grandchildren. Happily married since 1981.
Jennifer Rosales has been an RN for 10 years. She received her BSN at the University of Alabama. She worked in Texas for 8 years caring for patients in med-surg, pre-op and home health. After moving back to Alabama in 2020, she has been at UAB Health Services Foundation in Prime Care at Hoover. She is happily married to David and they have 2 children.
Alyse Hicks is a Care Transition Registered Nurse at UAB Family Medicine. She has been practicing nursing for almost 9 years. Alyse first started her career at Children's of Alabama working as a clinical assistant while in nursing school. Upon graduation, she accepted a nursing position at Children's working on a Medical-Surgical unit then transferred to the Infusion Center where she stayed for 5 years. Alyse first joined the UAB family on a part-time basis working with the COVID-19 vaccine clinic at UAB Highlands in January 2021. Since her start with the vaccine clinic, she decided to become part of UAB full-time that following March. Although Alyse's nursing experience has primarily been with the pediatric population, she has gained a wealth of knowledge serving adult patients. In Alyse's spare time, she enjoys spending time with family, eating at new restaurants in Birmingham, and watching documentaries.
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Ronan O’Beirne, EdD, MBA
Director, UAB Continuing Medical Education
Katelyn Hiden
Physician Marketing Manager, UAB Health System
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Alyse Hicks, BSN, RN
RN-Care Transition Ambulatory
Antoinette Shedlarski, MSN, CML
Mgr-Ambulatory Services
Jennifer Rosales, RN
RN-Care Transition Ambulatory
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There is no commercial support for this activity. - TranscriptionMelanie Cole, MS (Host): Welcome to UAB Med Cast. I'm Melanie Cole. And please join us as we discuss the ongoing impact of COVID-19 in ambulatory care settings. Joining me in this panel is Jennifer Rosales, Antoinette Shedlarski and Alyse Hicks. They're all registered nurses at UAB Medicine. Ladies, I'm so glad to have you with us today. As I was telling you a little bit about this off the air, you all have been the backbone of everything in the last few years and beyond. And so I would like this to really be your chance to shine. Jennifer, I'd like to start with you. Tell us a little bit about the role of nurses in primary care clinic.
Jennifer Rosales, RN (Guest): Hi, Melanie, thank you for having us on today. So our job title is care transition nurse, and we are responsible for the provision and management of our adult patients in primary care. We utilize the nursing process, of course of assessment, nursing diagnosis, planning, implementation, and evaluation while providing care to our patients. We are responsible for accurately and efficiently triaging telephone calls and portal messages that we receive from patients, their significant others, other healthcare team members, such as home health agencies, and then we have to prioritize our patients' needs based on their urgency. A great care transition nurse has to have excellent communication skills, be very well organized and know where to locate important information in the patient's chart.
Triaging patients can be challenging, however, because we can't perform a visual assessment. So to evaluate the patient properly, we need to know which questions to ask. And then once we sort through the information that we collect and determine the appropriate disposition for each patient, whether we schedule an in-office visit, Telehealth video visit, or if they're having an emergency symptoms, of course, send them to the ER and we advise and educate patients and make safe, effective decisions under direction of the patient's physician.
Host: Well, it certainly has been a comprehensive role. And Annie, how did COVID impact nursing in the ambulatory primary care clinic? Tell us a little bit about what was going on in your minds, in the clinic. What was it like for you all?
Antoinette Shedlarski, RN (Guest): A start by saying nursing's always been a very, very dynamic profession. Nurses are excellent at problem solving. We do a great job of assessment and we try to you know, find a solution right away. With the COVID pandemic, we were faced with a rapid skyrocketing increase in demand for our services. Patients wanting to come in and receive treatment. And yet our supply of providers did not grow with that demand. So we had to become very, very proficient and very expert on managing these patients and finding a way for them to receive the care that they really needed at the same time not sending them into our emergency rooms, and our urgent care clinics. And as nurses, we do, we analyze everything. So if we've done a lot of graphics and we've created a lot of different improved workflows. We found different strategies to decompress this, you know, onslaught of demand.
I would like to hear a little bit from Jennifer and Alyse because we work as a team. So I thought maybe they might have something they want to add to that.
Jennifer: Yes. I would like to add so the COVID pandemic, it definitely changed how patient care was delivered in the ambulatory clinics. Anyone who called in with any kind of COVID symptoms, they were automatically scheduled as a Tele-health video visit. many of our inpatient visits, they were converted to Telehealth as well to decrease the risk of transmitting the virus to patients and healthcare workers within our clinics and patients were screened at the front entrance for symptoms and recent exposure. We also required face masks coverings, and then we also implemented as visitor restrictions and cutting down on the amount of people that were in the clinic and then instituting more rigorous use of our personal protective equipment when in contact with our patients. And then we also, you know, as nurses we had to bridge the gap between our patients and providers and many patients wrote in inquiring about COVID, you know, how long to quarantine, where can they get tested? So we provided that information to the patients as long as like where to get COVID vaccines and then treatment options to cut down on the amount of messages that our providers were receiving.
Alyse: And I will also like to mention to what Jennifer just said. Our nurse practitioners were very accommodating in their schedules. I know in their schedules where they were flexible and seeing patients through Telehealth and also as our role, we made sure that anybody that could manage their symptoms at home, that we provided that education to, to manage at home at the end, those cases that were a little bit more severe, we either directed them to the emergency room if they absolutely needed that emergent care, or we were able to schedule them with, with a nurse practitioner. So the nurse practitioners were very accommodating and they worked very hard in, in making sure that patients were seen in a timely manner.
Host: Well, Alyse, I'd like to speak about how you all adapted just a bit. We've mentioned a few process changes that were implemented in the clinic to manage the surges. And as we've been saying, the pandemic really encouraged healthcare systems to be more creative and innovative in their ability to deliver essential care whether it was for COVID or non COVID. Tell us a little bit about what that adaptation was like, because as Annie said, this is a dynamic profession that you're in. So how did it all come cohesively together?
Alyse: Well, I would say first and foremost, communication. Annie being our supervisor, was really great at bringing us together, providing us the information that we needed especially with other referring clinics as well when it came to caring for COVID patients. So communication was definitely key and the priority. And once we got that communication, we as the care transition nurses just talked amongst ourselves as far as making sure that patients were seen via Telehealth, also communicating with the the medical assistants that work directly with the providers, making sure you know, which patients can come into the office, which was needed a Tele-health and just kind of how to manipulate some of the provider's schedule as well. So communication was key. And Jennifer touched on this earlier, as far as triaging patients based on the severity of the COVID case and all hands were on deck with our patient portal because we have seen such an influx of portal messages during the surge and as well as, as education providing that education was a big implementation, cause a lot of our patients, if we provided that information to them, as far as managing symptoms at home or, or how to be treated or, or where to go for the monoclonal antibody infusion, that also gave them a little bit more confidence and trust in us to care for them. So I think all of those changes that were implemented just helped us adapt it well to the surges.
Host: Jennifer, do you still have COVID patients and how are you keeping them separate? What's going on right now? And how are you pre-planning for future surges?
Jennifer: Right now we don't have as many COVID patients. There is one that tests positive. We do still schedule them as a Tele-health video visit. And then, you know, the provider can call in new medication for them. And then, you know, if they, if their symptoms don't improve, they reach back out to us. And then we do further workup. You know, there is going to come a time where we won't have the restrictions. Once we get back out. You know, it'll be like a regular flu season. So we're still trying to work through how we're going to manage those patients. You know, still requiring them to have a mask, getting them in and out of the building, you know, as quickly as possible and not have them, you know, lingering around.
Annie: I would like to just add to that UABs response to the COVID pandemic has been phenomenal. The University of Alabama has just developed COVID clinics. Post COVID clinics, long COVID clinics, Infusion centers. I mean, the resources were absolutely mobilized and put together to manage each phase of the pandemic because the pandemic did have many phases, you know, in the beginning we just didn't know how to respond to those patients.
And our infectious disease team was right, right on it. I mean, they started immediately trying to come up with treatments, putting together protocols. And as we got more knowledge, we realized what treatments were working with COVID. UAB, absolutely you know, changed and grew and adapted everyone of those support systems.
So we had those resources at our finger tips to take care of those patients. And we're still doing. UAB is still continuing to research on COVID. We're still continuing to you know, fine tune our protocols and our treatment plans. They've been, it's been a phenomenal.
Host: I imagine it has, as UAB is an incredible medical center. And I know this because I host their podcasts and Annie sticking with you for a second, tell us, are you still going to be using those Televisits? Is the portal still as busy? Are you going to continue to use some of the things that we've learned going forward in the future? Because they've shown to be pretty efficient.
Annie: Absolutely. Not only are we going to continue to use those protocols and new practices, but we're going to continue to fine tune them and make them even more efficient so we can reach the greatest percentage of our population because access to care in Alabama has always been a challenge and it continues to be a challenge. The demand for our services is so far in excess of the supply that we have to think of very, very efficient and proficient way to treat these patients. We're going to continue with Tele-health, although I don't think it will continue to be as large as a percentage of our care as we did during the pandemic, but we're definitely going, it is, it is here to stay.
It is part of our everyday life here and UAB, which is always ahead of everybody in Alabama, is already putting together, our e-medicine coordinating centers, which deal strictly with Telehealth and remote patient monitoring, which also helps us. So patients who have long COVID, those patients who continue to have symptoms after the initial phase of the disease, they are now being managed in our remote patient monitoring system.
So we're, we're still providing ongoing care. We will continue to do that. And we will continue to come up with new therapies and new treatments and new protocols.
Host: And you could just go ahead and say it ,because it is really across the country, UAB is truly leading the pack and I'd like to give you each a chance for a final thought. And I love that point, Annie, that you made about rural areas and Telemedicine and long COVID that it's really a great way to get specialists and visits through that way. So, Alyse, how do you feel nursing will change to help your providers meet the increasing demand for services? Where do you see nursing going in the future?
Alyse: That's a great question. I think our nurses will continue to be advocates for their patients as far as making sure they receive the best care possible. I think also too, the doctors will of course continued to do Tele-health medicine, just so everybody does have access to some type of healthcare. So I hope that nursing will continue to be the best profession. And then we'll just all work together, no matter what type of unprecedented challenge comes our way.
Host: Well, you have all faced it so bravely. And so my next question, Jennifer, how are you all, how have you been, how have you been holding up, making it through day to day? Families, kids, very sick people. You literally all I'll get choked up even when I say this, you literally all saved the country. You're the very foundation of medicine. How did you, how did you hold up how are you all now..
Jennifer: Right. We are all hanging in there. I mean, there were many nights that, you know, we stayed late, I'm waiting to hear back from the providers, you know, about what a patient should do. And you know, I would always tell patients, you know, I'll follow up with you today. And so, I mean, sometimes it meant staying, you know, 30 minutes or an hour afterwards, just to, you know, hear back from the doctor or talk to the physician and then talk tell the patient and answer and, you know, relieve some of that stress of just worrying, you know, wait until the next day for a phone call.
We are, you know, closer to our patients and primary care, and some of them have been patients with us for many years. And so, you know, you go through so much with them and you just want the best outcomes for them. So, another thing I will say is it's important for self-care and take in time. To realize that there is a work-life balance, spend time with our families exercise, eating, healthy balanced meals, and taking breaks frequently. That all helps as well.
Host: It sure does and Annie, last word to you. What would you like to tell other providers, around the country, about the job that nurses do and the ongoing impact of COVID-19 in the ambulatory care setting?
Annie: Nurses have been foundational during this pandemic in my opinion. Okay. And nurses have always used application knowledge to provide the best care to our patients. We've always been a resource to other members of the team. We are proficient at protocols and practices and nurses have always been resilient.
We've always adapted very quickly to change. And at UAB, we get to function at the very top of our scope of practice and UAB encourages us to grow our knowledge base and our skills. And and in return, UAB relies on us to provide the very best care we can to our patients and to our team because we, we not only support our patients, we sorta, we also support our physicians.
Okay. We partner with them. We are very close in working with them. We, we see what's going on with them as well. I'm going to say that as a nurse, if a nurse is looking for a job that, you know, you want a job that grows with you, UAB is the place to be. It is dynamic. Our, our roles change, our skills change. And we have a say in that, and it's, it's a great place. It is a great place to work. All right. And, and we, we really provide excellent care. And these nurses who you've been listening to on this Med Cast, they are very humble. But they, you really need to know that they all function at the very, very top of their scope.
They have a great knowledge base and they keep themselves abreast on what's new and trending. So it's it's just a great team.
Host: Bless your hearts, all of you. And thank you so much for everything that you've done throughout the, the profession that you're in and certainly for the last two years, just really you are the heroes that everybody's been talking about. And thank you again for joining us on the Med Cast today. A physician can refer a patient to UAB Medicine by calling the mist line at 1-800-UAB-MIST, or by visiting our website ay uabmedicine.org/physician.
This concludes this episode of UAB Med Cast. For updates on the latest medical advancements, breakthroughs and research, follow us on your social channels. I'm Melanie Cole. - HostsMelanie Cole, MS
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